Who Thinks Phunnel=phail?

[twoapplesplease]

I ordered a med-tang phunnel bowl and packed it every way possible used every possible amount of coals.Oh sure It did smoke but Always unburned tobbaco at the bottom of the bowl.You need to use more coals for a phunnel bowl than if you were to smoke an egyptian bowl of equal size, but at least all the tobacco would be smoked.

Also its the only bowl to ever break on me in 14 years of smoking.Sure I droped on a wood floor from about a foot off the ground, but still you could almost throw an egyptian bowl at a wood floor and it still would't break.

I say stick with egyptian bowls FTW!

and don't gimmie that ''than you were'nt using it right'' crap because its not rocket science ok, I've been smoking shisha every day for over 14 years I think I might be able to figure out how to use a phunnel bowl.

Phunnel=phail in my book Edited September 18, 2009 by twoapplesplease

[joytron]

you are probably not packing it right

[redjako]

Well, packing IS user error

You can always save the unused stuff at the botton..plus, phunnels are how you get 6-8 hour sessions ftw.

Now, I think phunnels = fail only in so far as reloading for a new flavor, since they take longer in reloading and have more of a hassle element with the excess shisha.

You don't need to throw it away...

PLUS! I've been hard pressed to get the same monster flavor out of an egyptian (since phunnels hold in the lovely juices), and longevity of the session tends to run only to 30 min - 45 min for a "side"

And, shisha tastes like shit when you "flip" the puck.



So, phunnels do not = teh phail.

[twoapplesplease]

nope packed correcctly every time It still doesn't beat egyptian.
4-6 hour sessions bluck,I'd rather pack a fresh bowl every 1.5 hours FTW.no arguing that a fresh bowl is'nt better

Plus maybee its the other way around maybee all you phunnel smokers don't know how to properly pack an egyptian bowl.

[twoapplesplease]

I smoked AF,Nakhla,Romman,tangiers,and some SB blue mist.
I didn't need help packing.I'm very experianced at the art of smoking a hookah.I also used coconaras,romman lemon wood and nour natural wood and golden ql.

I did not go into explaining because I did not fail At smoking it correctly.I just don't think its better than egyptian.

I'm just saying I used it correctly and I still think egyptian bowls are better in every way Edited September 18, 2009 by twoapplesplease

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

your bowl is too big..you need a small phunnel..with a medium and only you smoking your waisting shisha..then again at the end of smoking you can always take the unburned part at the bottom and mix it back in with your shisha and give it a stir instead of throwing it away

[coplinb]

I think if you sized down to a small phunnel, then youd figure out why everyone likes them so much. A medium is WAY to big to smoke alone and heat management is going to be different.

[mattarios2]

Honestly twoapples ... the phunnel converted almost everyone on this forum, at least the people i talk to from egyptian to phunnel.

No offense but if you didn't think the phunnel was as good as the egyptian, then you ARE doing something wrong.

You can like whatever bowl more, if you like the egyptian then good, continue to use the egyptian, but if you found the phunnel couldn't perform at least as good as the egyptian, you are doing something wrong.

And def buy a smaller phunnel.

[twoapplesplease]

Id try a small but I don't think It would make a difference.When I used the med-phunnel it was for my longer sessions when I planed on smoking it for a few hours and I smoke.
Don't get me wrong it did smoke pretty good I just think a good egyptian bowl is better.

No more you didn't pack it right,or use the right mod,or your coals were'nt ready crap thats for rookies.I started smoking hookah when alot of you's were still in kindergarden. Edited September 18, 2009 by twoapplesplease

[mattarios2]

take pics and show us your packing method, coal placement etc. Seriously ... look at my nakhla tutorials because I am sure that is what you are smoking with the phunnel ... and look at the clouds ...

http://www.hookahforum.com/?showtopic=31762 mizo
http://www.hookahforum.com/?showtopic=33144 og (like the second hit of the bowl)

if the shisha you smoke is juicy, it holds the juice, if the shisha you smoke is dry/moist/somewhat juicy (it most likely needs to be packed tight for maximum performance like tang, nak and the like) for every shisha there is a reason to use the phunnel bowl.

if you look at those tutorials i pack the nakhla pretty tight in there (tighter for og compared to mizo) with an egyptian bowl if you pack it that tight it clogs the holes.

[white_rabbit]

I enjoy the Tan. small phunnel. I have a selection of bowls... i dont like the traditional egyptian bowls i think they are too shallow... but I like the mya bowls. phunnels are good to me! lol

[evlpengwyn]

Did your shisha lose flavor before the end of the session? The only reason I see why you're complaining is because there's shisha left over when you're done with the session... if it's still got flavor and is still smoking i don't see why it's the phunnel's fault.

[mattarios2]

Jess, you love to be a nice asshole ... if that makes sense ... don't you, lol.

[newjacksm]

You got a medium phunnel, get a small and then work your way up to a medium!

[twoapplesplease]

I'm just saying guys what if this was a thread bashing cheap chinese hookahs.How many would be right along with me?

I was asking when I started this thread who else thinks the phunnel sucks?Not please help me I can't figure out how to smoke this rocket science bowl.
That being said why did so many of you guys throw a tizzy because I don't like phunnel bowls?
If I said I don't like chinese hookahs than no problem right.

seriously guys this is my opinion like it or leave it.

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

I'm just saying guys what if this was a thread bashing cheap chinese hookahs.How many would be right along with me?

I was asking when I started this thread who else thinks the phunnel sucks?Not please help me I can't figure out how to smoke this rocket science bowl.
That being said why did so many of you guys throw a tizzy because I don't like phunnel bowls?
If I said I don't like chinese hookahs than no problem right.

seriously guys this is my opinion like it or leave it.

because you didnt like it for the wrong reasons..its user error on your part..offcourse anyone would hate a bowl that always left unburned shisha at the end of a session..but thats because your using a huge bowl that you dont need...use a smaller one and practice packing it..thats all were saying..you dont have to like it but have a valid reason for not likeing it and you havent given one for the obvious reasons because its too damn big..my first time ordering a tangiers phunnel i made the mistake of ordering large..phuckin thing took like 125g to load..lol and about 6 coals to start burning right..but does it mean the phunnel sucks? no it just means its a big phuckin bowl..lol get you a small one and then try it

[indian_villager]

Oh you silly goat you just opened the flood gates. Well the thing about the phunnels is that they are able to extend your sessions because with the phunnel the majority of your glycerin is not in your vase by the end of it all. And as far as your coal usage goes.....you ordered the medium phunnel. Those things are freggin huge! With that mass of tobacco you should have figured you would need more heat, it is basic science my friend. In what little time I have spent on this forum I think you are the only one so far to not like the bowl. (did you buy an authentic tangiers bowl or one of those Chinese knockoffs? It is truly unfortunate because once I went phunnel I am now unable to go back. The flavors are so much more pronounced, and the longevity is improved by so much. If you are ever willing to try this again I'd suggest getting a small phunnel (scalli mod optional) and try using this hole pattern.

[Zinite]

Let's see:

Medium sized Egyptian - 1 1/2 hours max.

Medium sized Phunnel - 4 hours average. More if you know how to use coals properly.

Yeah, Phunnel is definitely fail...

[Chiefin]

Id try a small but I don't think It would make a difference.When I used the med-phunnel it was for my longer sessions when I planed on smoking it for a few hours and I smoke.
Don't get me wrong it did smoke pretty good I just think a good egyptian bowl is better.

Wait...didn't you say it sucks in the subtitle of your thread.

No more you didn't pack it right,or use the right mod,or your coals were'nt ready crap thats for rookies.I started smoking hookah when alot of you's were still in kindergarden.

Since when did smoking hookah become a c*ck measuring contest? "Noob" and "Rookie" don't seem like terms I would associate with the hookah vibe in general. You've had success with an egyptian, then you should share how you pack it so that it smokes better than a phunnel...rather than dogging on something than another fellow poster here invented to maximize the greatness of his shisha. Edited September 18, 2009 by Chiefin

[ExSmoker]

A few brief comments...

1. You guys are freaks for smoking that long I smoke for 45 minutes /tops/ if I'm alone.

2. I use the mini glass phunnel from MNHookah with glass screen and glas scali mod. After about my 8th session (coconaras) I had the heat game down with it. It is IMO way better than the MYA bowl that I had. Retains flavor better and with the mod I only use about 8g-10g of shisha per session, which is just right for me. I also burn every bit of shisha and don't end up with harsh smoke anymore (in part thanks to advice from here on the forum... thanks!)

3. There is a serious cult of personality on this forum surrounding the Eric and the phunnel. Hero and product worship. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the phunnel (well, aside from the fact that there is no standardization on the sizing), but people on this forum are genuinely weird about it and have problems looking at it objectively. The one time I saw people starting to look at it objectively, Eric threw a hissy fit and there was TREMENDOUS social backlash for people expressing dissenting opinions. Maybe you're all comfortable with that attribute of the forum, but it turned me off immensely.

4. Point #3 is why Twoapples -IS- flamebaiting/trolling. He doesn't feel comfortable just talking about his experience with it, so he started out his post by being aggressive and challenging. The attitude here is it's not OK to have an unpopular opinion.

5. I'm a hookah newbie. Noone needs to point that out if you they want to disagree with me. I openly admit it! Edited September 18, 2009 by ExSmoker

[Stuie]

Bowls are all about Preference. I still think Nakhla smokes better out of a Hemi or Saudi Bowl than a Phunnel. I Love my Crown Bowl Especially for wet tobacco. I don't spend all my tobacco in my phunnel sessions and that's a downside, but it's something I can live with. So it's all about personal preference. Enjoy your favorite bowl, whatever it may be!

[McLovin600]

twoapples I agree with you but only when it comes to nak (maybe layalina). But anyway can you recommend me an awesome egyptian bowl? They all look the same. I am using the one that came with my trimetal. Is there something better? Maybe a 6th hole? thx

[Chiefin]

3. There is a serious cult of personality on this forum surrounding the Eric and the phunnel. Hero and product worship. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the phunnel (well, aside from the fact that there is no standardization on the sizing), but people on this forum are genuinely weird about it and have problems looking at it objectively. The one time I saw people starting to look at it objectively, Eric threw a hissy fit and there was TREMENDOUS social backlash for people expressing dissenting opinions. Maybe you're all comfortable with that attribute of the forum, but it turned me off immensely.

The same could be said for KM's vs. Maya hookahs , Razan vs. Namour hoses, etc. A lot of people here are passionate about their smoking to the point of it being a hobby. That being said, a lot of people here like tangiers. It really is amazing stuff if you can get it right, and the challenge/science of it adds a new dynamic to the whole hookah experience.

On one hand, I can see where you are coming from because there are so many avid followers of Eric's products on this forum. It's solely a result of his quality control. He is accessible for questions and suggestions here. That cannot be said for any other vendor (AF, Fantasia, Starbuzz etc.).

But you can't accuse people of not looking at it objectively when there are countless threads of the dude trying to help people smoke and acclimate his shisha properly, and countless threads where folks share things that have been successful with it. Hell, he just passed out free shisha samples of unreleased flavors to like 20 people on this board.

4. Point #3 is why Twoapples -IS- flamebaiting/trolling. He doesn't feel comfortable just talking about his experience with it, so he started out his post by being aggressive and challenging. The attitude here is it's not OK to have an unpopular opinion.

There are a lot of homers on this forum...but I think everyone is wildly open to anything that makes for a better smoking experience. This isn't a thread that starts out screaming objectivity. To insinuate that it's the board's fault is circular logic.

[Hooka_bears]

It seems like people on this forum don't let others have their opinions. Hes just stating his opinion and then everyone has to bash him. Same goes with people that don't like tangiers. Seems like everyone and there mothers needs to jump on the tangiers bandwagon or else your not cool, and then have to bash all other tobaccos because they dont last for 12 hours and have dyes.

Anyways, if the man likes his egyptians, let him stick with em.

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

guys it has nothing to do with eric..its that he bought a great product but he is using it for the wrong application that is why he is getting these responses..i mean if i bought johns natural coals and i sit there trying to light them with my lighter..im gona be a pissed off dude..lol and im gona talk trash about them..the point is know what your buying before you buy it..a medium phunnel is way to much for a single person thats why hes not liking it..it has nothing to do with who makes the bowls..a small phunnel takes care of the un-used tobacco problem and you will like it..thats the point were trying to get across..yes there is a type of cult following but thats because its of good quality and it gives good results..no one paid this forum to back a certain product and to slay whoever thinks otherwise..these are just happy customers and if theres this many happy customers then you need to say to yourself..ok maybe i been approaching this all wrong let me see what these people are seeing and make the benefits work for me..